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welcome back everybody hope you're

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having a great day we are riding the woo

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Train Jason we don't do this often but

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if we're going to discuss the things

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that cannot be explained crazy

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experiences some of them downright scary

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uh who better than Mr Whitley streber

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himself the legendary storyteller yeah

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no uh you know what I I remember Louis

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when I was a kid I would go to the

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library downtown and I would take out

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every UFO book that I could

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accept communion because that book

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scared the crap out of me just a cover

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of it itself and it took me years I just

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read the book maybe five years ago it

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took me this long to be able to read it

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but you know at least such a Pioneer in

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this Louis like his his work with other

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abductees people like Bud Hopkins and

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um you know he's at the top of the list

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we definitely will learn something from

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today for sure absolutely yeah and we're

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gonna ask him some viewer questions we

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pulled our uh our audience on Facebook

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couple weeks ago and said hey what do

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you guys want us to ask Whitley so we

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have our list here I got a big fat list

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Jason's got a big fat list we're gonna

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see what we can make of it but uh more

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than anything we are humbled I mean this

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gentleman's been doing this for years

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yeah I tried to find a book list I

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stopped at 46. I mean he must be

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upgraded because how can some people

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we've had many authors and some of them

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tell us it takes five ten years to write

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a book properly how can somebody have

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done so much in such a short lifespan

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without you know some kind a special

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scale or something and maybe that's as a

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result of his experiences we'll ask him

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that but uh yeah it's going to be an

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exciting day we're going to go down the

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Wu train Whitley is the self-proclaimed

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king of Wu but we want to keep this on

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the terms of UAP what do we know what

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going to be a fun time let's roll the

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music here we'll be right back in just a

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moment with Mr Whitley strieber right

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast my name is Louis Borges

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joining me as always my good friend Mr

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Jason gilmette how's it going Louis it's

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going great we're in the house with the

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ultimate Storyteller Mr Whitley

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Schreiber we are as you said before we

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started recording we're geeking out big

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time today uh one of our favorite people

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that we haven't yet spoken to so this is

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a great opportunity for us and uh if

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anybody is unfamiliar with him we're

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gonna have him explain sort of what got

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him into all this and his experiences so

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today's guest is an award-winning author

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I did a book search and I I found like

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46 titles I'm sure there are more I

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don't know how

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somebody can complete this in a one

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human life Workhorse amazing maybe

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Whitley has been upgraded because his

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work would certainly allude to that

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obviously his most popular book in this

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topic is communion written in 1987 and

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we'll also chat about his recent book

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them but Whitley also has a show called

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Dreamland which is hosted on the Onyx

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Network the network that we are also

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broadcasted on so we're super excited we

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can't wait to chat with them so big

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welcome to the show Mr Whitley's Dreamer

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well it's great to be here and thank you

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very much for inviting me I'm I'm always

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glad to do this it's important

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for making this happen uh we really

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appreciate it absolutely so for uh some

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of the people in our audience that are

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fairly new to the topic that aren't as

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familiar with yourself uh shame on you

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but if you haven't heard of Whitley

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streamer uh tell us what happened

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December 26 1985 Whitley

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well I was asleep in bed in uh a cabin

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in Upstate New York I was married my

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wife was beside me my seven-year-old son

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was downstairs in his bedroom

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and it was a perfectly ordinary night

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night after Christmas it's been a very

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beautiful afternoon with light snow and

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had a a post Christmas dinner of

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leftovers and it was a very pleasant way

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to spend a day and uh

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everything was perfectly quiet and

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perfectly normal in every way

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I believe I was aware became aware of

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movement or noises and I opened my eyes

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and the first thing I saw were these big

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black insect eyes

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staring at me

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I thought oh God you're having a

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nightmare here Whitley

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I actually crossed my mind you know I

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was writing horror novels I had written

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an ominous and very real quality and I

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wake myself up and get be back in bed

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I was began to be assaulted

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very terrifying I didn't know what to

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make of this I was raped with a machine

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a device that was thrust into my rectum

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and caused some erection and an

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ejaculation that was taken in a little

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creatures ran away with it and by that

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time I was in an insane panic I I was

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absolutely terrified and screaming

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obviously because there was a

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machine-like voice that kept saying what

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can we do to help you stop screening

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it ended at some point after that they

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shot a needle into the side of my head

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remembered saying you'll ruin a

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beautiful mind

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the next morning I I don't have any real

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memories of the way the thing ended I uh

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any disturbance in the night and she

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said no it was quiet

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an owl in the house because I could

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remember these big eyes

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but the problem was there's no way an Al

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I began to remember bits and pieces of

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what had happened

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blindsided because I knew nothing

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whatsoever about alien abductions or

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anything like that

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of struggle

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with my doctor trying to figure out what

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order of flying saucer by little men

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then I thought oh my God I'm I'm losing

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if she turned out to be married to a

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psychotic she couldn't get a divorce and

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psychological tests and there was

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identifiably wrong with me

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decided and I've been trying to get a

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divorcement our marriage was really on

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the Rocks because of all this and

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is what I remembered previously previous

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to talking to Ann because how do you

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I was taken aboard a flying saucer by

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little men

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and she looked at me and I looked back

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at her

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I now I don't have to get a divorce

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or she may have said now I oh thank God

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one of those two things

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began really and hers too

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and you had mentioned in your book I

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believe I'm I'm I may be wrong but when

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that entity was telling you what can we

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do to make you quiet you had said

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something to the effect of let me smell

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that is close to that smell not well I

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that it smelled like cinnamon right uh

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but I don't directly remember the odor

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anymore right but it was It was a

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not very organic odor as I recall

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cinnamon would be the best way to

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describe it a little sweet Edge to it

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trying to I think I was instinctively

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trying to ground myself and find

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someplace in reality where this would

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maybe you could a lot of the children

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who came to the cabin did and we told

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what was happening and if you don't want

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your children to get involved in this

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don't send them

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but everyone sent them anyway

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human Witnesses adult Witnesses at this

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and when it comes down to this

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um phenomenon which is crazy but you

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and John Mack which the three of you are

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really the you know major Pioneers in

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this field to study uh what's amazing is

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you got two sort of events you got the

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uh the one-offs which is just somebody

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driving down the road all of a sudden

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something happens to get taken in your

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case in other families it seems to run

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in the family so Mom and Dad had an

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experience you're having experience the

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kids have an experience it follows the

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family line

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um what can you tell us a bit about that

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not much that I could put my finger on

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there does seem to be a family

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connection though

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in my case it has to do with the Roswell

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incident because one of my uncles was

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involved in the was at the air material

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command in Roswell I mean in uh right at

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right field when the debris was brought

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from Roswell

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so while I didn't know anything about

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this at the time after the book was

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published he did level with me about

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this and so it was a in the family

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and I think it runs down family line

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somehow I'm not the only person who's

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had members of their family engaged to

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and then they were also engaged later

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so there's a familial connection

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and in in fact in one of the letters in

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them

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but what we did was uh

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and collected all of the communion

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letters and around 30 000 of them

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wow ended up in an archive at Rice

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University in Texas thankfully they were

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preserved by a a wonderful man my

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co-author on Supernatural Jeff [\h__\h]

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and

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those one of those letters

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involves of a woman who's

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was abducted with her daughter in the

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desert in Arizona

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and they were kept separately much of

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the woman's discomfort

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but the daughter eventually said that

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she was an alien

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and um

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the the

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um

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I mean not that she was an alien but

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that she was they the aliens excuse me

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had told her that she was very ill and

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she couldn't be cured

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and the mother

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had been told that they were

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that she and the daughter were members

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of a very very ancient family and that

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this these family members that were

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there were her family essentially

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so there was a familial connection of

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some kind

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the little daughter did develop a few

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months later a rare form of cancer and

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she did die

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so it was a very profound and intense

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experience of course all the way down

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the line not only what happened to me

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but the hap the things that happen to

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other people

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uh and the things that

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fit a a general category of being

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similar to other stories

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are worth witnessing anyway

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um uh quite a few of those so it's a

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it's a very strange experience but it's

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got something to do with family there's

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no question about that

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right before recording Today's Show we

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pulled our audience and said hey if

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anyone's got some cool questions for

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Whitley send them our way and you

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mentioned Jeff [\h__\h] and that was one

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of the questions brought up and somebody

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had said ask him about his incident in a

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hotel with Jeff [\h__\h] and uh he told

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me roughly what uh what had taken place

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and I found it fascinating so maybe I

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um

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okay I

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can run it by me again I'm so the story

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as the viewer had said was that you were

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sharing a hotel room with this gentleman

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and they were sort of 50 50 on the

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phenomenon and something happened

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throughout the night to make them yeah

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right sharing with Jeff yeah I was um

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yeah well that was not a hotel room I

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was at the essling and that's what threw

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me off I was trying to remember this

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happening in a hotel room it never has

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with someone else it happened at the

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esselen institute in in uh Big Sur okay

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and when I go to the sln Institute they

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usually put me in a certain room

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which overlooks the Pacific and is a is

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a kind of place that someone could

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easily who especially someone who could

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fly could easily enter from the outside

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without being disturbed

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and quite a few people over the years

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have wanted to sleep with stay in the

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same room with me to see if something

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would happen and one or two times it has

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and one of those times was with Jeff

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and uh Jeff uh was uh I was sleeping

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beside the window in the and there's a

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little deck and a bit of lawn and then a

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cliff in the Pacific beyond that

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and uh I was there in the and in the

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middle of the night that was a time when

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the visitors were waking me up pretty

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regularly at three o'clock in the

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morning to do an exercise I'd call the

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fencing exercise which is to an exercise

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of attention to place the attention on

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the physical body

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that you do to

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over over time it gradually engages the

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second or ethereal body

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and it takes many many years I've done

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been doing it now for 60 years but when

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they came into my life after my wife

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died in 2015 they wanted a lot more and

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they specifically wanted it done at

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three o'clock in the morning and the

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reason is that this is a time which in

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some yoga Traditions is called Brahma

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hertha time or the time of greatest

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openness of the Mind

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so uh I was doing the exercise then and

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I did the exercise

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and a short time later Jeff had a very

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intense experience

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what happened to me was one of these

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little figures came in the window in the

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doorway

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and because they had a door as well as a

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window out onto the deck and uh blue on

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my hand

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and a moment later

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while I was still awake it woke uh Jeff

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up I Believe by Brewing on his finger or

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his hand and

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so when he experienced this

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he experienced the collapse of world

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view

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he no longer cared

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up about the uh about the details of

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what was happening

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what he experienced was a kind of

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implosion of his sense of reality and he

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when the in entity touched him

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he uh

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uh uh he felt like

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he felt he heard his own voice coming

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from deep within his body saying oh my

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God and then it was like glass crashing

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all around him and I'm pretty sure that

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that's this is what he said or something

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very close to it and it's a there's a

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sense of annihilation when they come to

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you and I think that in my opinion

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my theory is excuse me that it is a um

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it is a uh

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a reaction to the fact that they are

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coming in from outside of time we live

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in the time stream like fish swimming in

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water and the threat of taking us out of

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the stream of time

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literally destroys our reason for living

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we're here to experience to have

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sequential experience and on always

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sense of the new about everything that's

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happening

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and when they come near you there's the

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threat exists that you will come out of

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that state and the second you do you see

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your whole future and your whole past

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and you're we're here to have novel

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experience for it to be imprinted on our

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minds as if it was entire our souls as

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if it was entirely new

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and the threat of being pulled out of

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the time stream is what is so

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frightening to people and it's for what

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frightened Jeff and made him feel like

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the world was ending at that moment in

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my opinion so that's pretty much that

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story

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wow yeah it's crazy too because if

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they do have control over manipulation

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of time like a lot of people have

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commented the quietness that comes with

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it like um I was talking to one of the

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twins in England I forgot their names

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now uh they'll come to me in a minute

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but uh he was describing almost like a

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snowfall and when you have a nice quiet

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snowfall is super quiet he says it was

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just like that and it seems like time is

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irrelevant it doesn't matter and you're

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stuck in this different

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perspective or world view and in your

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case like it's

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my heart goes out to you and anybody

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else that has these reoccurring

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experiences

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because I can't imagine what it's like

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to be pulled out of bed at 3am have

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these quick just Snippets of

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memory of what took place and then the

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next day you got to go to work and you

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got to face everybody everybody's not

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aware of what you're going through and

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there's thousands of people in the world

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going through that if not a million uh

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and it's horrible oh yeah yeah it's it

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well thank you for saying it's horrible

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because it's pretty difficult that's for

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certain yeah

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yeah and it is a the this business of

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being threatened by it's not

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they're not threatening us

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intentionally it's their proximity that

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may draw us out of a stream of time and

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the second you're drawn out of the

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stream of time you're going to know your

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whole life not just from this life but

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from all lives if you if there is a such

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thing as an afterlife you will know it

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all in just a second

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and where then

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is the reason for living

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there is none not at all

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you have no reason to be alive and

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you've spent all this time and money and

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effort

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on the becoming a living part

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of the world order

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and

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it's just premature to assume that we

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could form classes with the visitors or

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something and make a lot of this we're

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going to have to take a long hard

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journey

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in order to find our footing with this

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right yeah and I like how you refer to

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them as the visitors and I've heard you

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uh say that they may not be

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extraterrestrial you know not

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necessarily and the first thing that

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came to my mind is uh Michael Paul

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Masters we've interviewed him before on

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our show he has his theory which is the

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extra tempestral Theory now as somebody

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who is um you know an archaeologist an

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anthropologist he's looking at the

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evolution of man and his theory is that

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if you just fast forward Evolution a

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couple million years we get the big

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bulbous foreheads our eyes will change

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we're no longer hunting and Gathering

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therefore the spindly arms and even to

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the point of like Philip Corso in his

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book The Day After Roswell said that

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these beings had human genomes so I

559
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,640
wanted to get your opinion on the

560
00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:43,440
visitors where do you think they're

561
00:23:47,450 --> 00:23:45,059
coming from and is there a chance they

562
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,460
could be us in the future just looking

563
00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:49,679
different due to Evolution perhaps we

564
00:23:53,330 --> 00:23:50,940
live in a different planet different

565
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:53,340
gravity what are your thoughts on who

566
00:23:58,250 --> 00:23:55,679
these visitors actually are

567
00:24:00,529 --> 00:23:58,260
the question is still completely open

568
00:24:02,450 --> 00:24:00,539
from beginning to end and there are

569
00:24:04,490 --> 00:24:02,460
people out there who have decided where

570
00:24:07,130 --> 00:24:04,500
they're from what planets they're all

571
00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:07,140
from who's at war with who else and all

572
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:08,820
of that and that's all as far as I'm

573
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,159
concerned it's all unproven

574
00:24:15,529 --> 00:24:13,679
and you know you can't say someone is a

575
00:24:19,010 --> 00:24:15,539
military whistleblower and then

576
00:24:20,690 --> 00:24:19,020
uh and then say that they've said this

577
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:20,700
and because they were in the military it

578
00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:24,240
must be true it doesn't work that way uh

579
00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:25,080
first

580
00:24:30,649 --> 00:24:28,200
it's a pretty rare thing when somebody

581
00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:30,659
gives up classified information to the

582
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:32,940
public there's a case in point going on

583
00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:36,480
right now where a young man gave serious

584
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,960
case in point information to foreign

585
00:24:44,590 --> 00:24:42,240
powers and uh because he wanted to show

586
00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:44,600
his friends on the internet how U.S

587
00:24:50,570 --> 00:24:46,860
intelligence really worked

588
00:24:52,570 --> 00:24:50,580
so you have a situation where

589
00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:52,580
uh

590
00:24:58,250 --> 00:24:56,100
it's not really useful I don't think to

591
00:24:59,450 --> 00:24:58,260
try to speculate about where they're

592
00:25:02,270 --> 00:24:59,460
from

593
00:25:06,409 --> 00:25:02,280
because we can't know

594
00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:06,419
uh as things now stand what is useful

595
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:09,299
and important is to try to make the

596
00:25:14,890 --> 00:25:12,960
relationship work from our end and later

597
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:14,900
on we can make the relationship work

598
00:25:20,270 --> 00:25:17,700
hopefully from other ends

599
00:25:23,529 --> 00:25:20,280
but basically

600
00:25:23,539 --> 00:25:29,950
this this relationship such as it is

601
00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:32,630
too unknown to pin down like people will

602
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:34,860
say oh well if it's not aliens it must

603
00:25:38,510 --> 00:25:36,900
be inter-dimensionals well what in the

604
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,520
world does that word mean I don't even

605
00:25:44,029 --> 00:25:41,039
know yeah what it means it doesn't mean

606
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:44,039
anything to me and but I think that

607
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:46,679
there's also a possibility that movement

608
00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:49,440
Through Time may be possible and if

609
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,760
that's the case

610
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,039
then I think it's inevitable they would

611
00:25:58,430 --> 00:25:55,440
be here

612
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,440
right what's that yeah because even

613
00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:00,480
um you know looking at

614
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:02,820
people like Michio Kaku who talks about

615
00:26:07,810 --> 00:26:05,700
different classes of civilization humans

616
00:26:11,210 --> 00:26:07,820
are not even the class one civilization

617
00:26:12,890 --> 00:26:11,220
but you expand that to let's say not

618
00:26:16,850 --> 00:26:12,900
only our galaxy but the Universe At

619
00:26:18,769 --> 00:26:16,860
Large any advanced civilization that is

620
00:26:21,649 --> 00:26:18,779
higher class in us as more of an

621
00:26:23,810 --> 00:26:21,659
understanding of the reality of

622
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,820
what this all is

623
00:26:28,610 --> 00:26:26,400
in we used to have science and

624
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:28,620
philosophy used to be one and the same

625
00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:32,100
and somehow they they both went apart I

626
00:26:35,210 --> 00:26:34,140
think this phenomenon requires both of

627
00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:35,220
these things to come back together

628
00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:37,740
because it's not just the nuts and bolts

629
00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:40,020
like Louie and I love to talk about as

630
00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:42,360
well but there's also this other aspect

631
00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:45,240
of it as well that is consciousness what

632
00:26:50,090 --> 00:26:47,460
does it mean for a place as a society

633
00:26:52,250 --> 00:26:50,100
what does it mean as an individual this

634
00:26:56,570 --> 00:26:52,260
topic bleeds in every aspect of

635
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,580
everybody everyday life and this is what

636
00:27:01,250 --> 00:26:58,559
I think maybe disclosure is hard to

637
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:01,260
bring about because it sort of shatters

638
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,980
the lies and and contributions that we

639
00:27:08,269 --> 00:27:06,720
do for society I mean it's all human

640
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,279
stuff that it's not

641
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:11,039
applicable to space and time right it's

642
00:27:16,090 --> 00:27:12,720
just our delusions we all contribute to

643
00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:16,100
it but this phenomenon is real I I I I

644
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,419
discussed this business of disclosure

645
00:27:22,010 --> 00:27:20,159
extensively in the second part of my

646
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,020
book them the new book

647
00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:24,240
and I I don't think the government's in

648
00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:26,220
a position to tell what's really going

649
00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:29,340
on they can't do that and I and here's

650
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:32,460
why you in order to do that they have to

651
00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:35,760
either tell a really monstrous lie and

652
00:27:41,210 --> 00:27:38,400
say all of the abductees are liars or

653
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:41,220
they're delusional and and that's a

654
00:27:44,930 --> 00:27:42,720
terrible thing to do to those people

655
00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:44,940
because they know very well they're not

656
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:48,179
liars and they're not uh they think of

657
00:27:57,409 --> 00:27:50,760
themselves as valid people

658
00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:57,419
and then to go on and say that uh that

659
00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:59,880
since it's not that

660
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,159
since it's not happening that the

661
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,080
abductions aren't happening

662
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:06,480
uh this all is not happening and it's

663
00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:09,720
all in delusional in people's minds like

664
00:28:15,169 --> 00:28:11,820
a few months ago there was a article in

665
00:28:17,450 --> 00:28:15,179
the Wall Street Journal by a an aviator

666
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:17,460
who had been worked who'd worked u-2s

667
00:28:23,149 --> 00:28:20,460
and was obviously quite well-known in

668
00:28:26,810 --> 00:28:23,159
his community saying why don't we just

669
00:28:29,930 --> 00:28:26,820
get rid of all this U.S UFO stuff my

670
00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:29,940
parents have never seen a UFO I've never

671
00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:33,720
seen one none of my colleagues in the on

672
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:36,360
the flight path ever ever have seen one

673
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:40,440
and the truth is that a lot of people do

674
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:41,520
see them

675
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,880
they are there and the government can't

676
00:28:50,930 --> 00:28:47,520
do a darn thing about it and you get

677
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:50,940
from that point to the stealing of semen

678
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:53,700
and eggs and of course the government

679
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:56,400
doesn't want to do anything about it

680
00:29:02,330 --> 00:29:00,179
they rather we give the hell

681
00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:02,340
wait do you think it's above the pay

682
00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:03,900
grade of the government at this point

683
00:29:09,649 --> 00:29:07,500
like is this uh yeah I don't think

684
00:29:12,590 --> 00:29:09,659
yeah I think that's been put above the

685
00:29:14,289 --> 00:29:12,600
pay grade by the visitors themselves the

686
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:14,299
visitors uh

687
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:17,120
engineered this abduction program

688
00:29:21,850 --> 00:29:20,460
they uh and they they put us in the

689
00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:21,860
position the government in a position

690
00:29:27,529 --> 00:29:25,620
where they can't go out and say yes

691
00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:27,539
people are being abducted yes their

692
00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:29,940
sexual material is being stolen yes

693
00:29:34,909 --> 00:29:33,240
their children are affected and no we

694
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:34,919
can't do anything about it and no we

695
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:37,860
don't understand why it's being done uh

696
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:40,880
they can't do that but because that

697
00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:44,460
renders the most fundamental promise of

698
00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:47,340
government fallacious the government is

699
00:29:50,810 --> 00:29:50,039
there to protect us and if it cannot do

700
00:29:55,850 --> 00:29:50,820
so

701
00:29:58,250 --> 00:29:55,860
then it's failing in its in its Duty and

702
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,260
in this case not only

703
00:30:03,529 --> 00:30:00,720
is it unable to do so

704
00:30:05,389 --> 00:30:03,539
it has been very cagey about writing

705
00:30:09,250 --> 00:30:05,399
about this I mean about admitting

706
00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:09,260
anything about this because uh

707
00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:11,399
they don't want to let the cat out of

708
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,039
the bag they don't want to be seen as

709
00:30:20,090 --> 00:30:16,559
powerless and they don't want to be seen

710
00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:20,100
as someone in which they have done does

711
00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:23,880
it use social engineering to dismiss the

712
00:30:28,669 --> 00:30:26,100
claims of the close encounter Witnesses

713
00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:28,679
and in some cases even to get them into

714
00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:31,799
mental institutions and that is just

715
00:30:36,649 --> 00:30:35,640
terribly wrong they can't admit it they

716
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:36,659
can't

717
00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:40,140
yeah I think if disclosure comes it's

718
00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:41,940
going to come from the visitors not from

719
00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:43,620
the government

720
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,460
had a memo sent to me I think it was

721
00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:50,159
from 1973 and it was from the legendary

722
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:52,380
remote viewer Pat price and he was

723
00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:55,039
writing a memo to how put off basically

724
00:31:00,889 --> 00:30:58,440
insinuating that the visitors have

725
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:00,899
already infiltrated state government

726
00:31:07,010 --> 00:31:04,080
religion it's not they're not they don't

727
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:07,020
care about our day-to-day mundane lives

728
00:31:11,389 --> 00:31:09,419
but they do care about not being

729
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,399
revealed and they've infiltrated certain

730
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:13,679
positions in order to maintain that and

731
00:31:17,389 --> 00:31:15,240
I was blown away because we all know Hal

732
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,399
put off very well we're also familiar

733
00:31:21,409 --> 00:31:19,440
with remote viewing and the accuracy of

734
00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:21,419
a lot of those things so do you have any

735
00:31:25,010 --> 00:31:22,919
thoughts on because you just kind of

736
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:25,020
mentioned that it is their decision

737
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:27,539
really do you think this has gone as far

738
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:29,700
as they are in government and perhaps

739
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:32,640
the leaders of religion and you know to

740
00:31:38,029 --> 00:31:36,000
that extent to keep this a secret

741
00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:38,039
I think that they will do what they have

742
00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:41,520
to to keep the secret because this

743
00:31:48,409 --> 00:31:43,860
abduction program is important to them

744
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:48,419
and they have no intention of allowing

745
00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:51,840
it to fail now that said the abductions

746
00:31:57,769 --> 00:31:53,820
have dropped off dramatically in the

747
00:32:01,130 --> 00:31:57,779
past few years they're very rare now

748
00:32:03,409 --> 00:32:01,140
and uh I think it could be

749
00:32:06,769 --> 00:32:03,419
that that part of their program here is

750
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:06,779
over and what they may do next I I can't

751
00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:09,360
predict but I do know that someone like

752
00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:13,260
Hal whom I also know very well uh is not

753
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,380
in a position to make that decision and

754
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:18,480
in fact nobody is in a position to make

755
00:32:26,269 --> 00:32:22,320
that decision uh the visitors are going

756
00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:26,279
to either show up or not show up and we

757
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:28,919
will have a decision of some kind when

758
00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:31,919
that happens I'm sorry to say

759
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:34,200
yeah what is your best guess for the

760
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:35,340
reasoning behind the abduction

761
00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:37,980
phenomenon and is it genetics that they

762
00:32:42,049 --> 00:32:40,260
need like are they do they need to boost

763
00:32:44,510 --> 00:32:42,059
themselves up is this a hybrid program

764
00:32:47,389 --> 00:32:44,520
again nobody knows but what is your best

765
00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:47,399
guess as to why and why the sexual

766
00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:50,940
nature of some of these abductions

767
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:52,620
well I can only tell you what I've

768
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:53,940
observed

769
00:33:01,370 --> 00:32:59,279
sexual material was taken from me in

770
00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:01,380
1988.

771
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:04,620
and in 1990

772
00:33:10,370 --> 00:33:07,860
three I believe early 94 just before we

773
00:33:13,310 --> 00:33:10,380
left the cabin the summer before that

774
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:13,320
a person showed up in our Woods

775
00:33:18,889 --> 00:33:16,620
he would he looked like a very wisen

776
00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:18,899
sort of 11 year old boy he did not look

777
00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:21,960
like an adult and I think he'd been

778
00:33:27,409 --> 00:33:24,600
living rough out there for some time

779
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:27,419
and the the way I

780
00:33:33,169 --> 00:33:31,019
located him goes by my sense of smell

781
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:33,179
because the the

782
00:33:38,889 --> 00:33:34,260
um

783
00:33:42,409 --> 00:33:41,210
I'm getting a little ahead of myself

784
00:33:45,409 --> 00:33:42,419
here

785
00:33:45,419 --> 00:33:49,310
let me see how I can put this

786
00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:52,130
I I located him I saw him I found this

787
00:33:59,090 --> 00:33:55,260
person in the woods behind our house

788
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,100
and he was smoked all the time he was

789
00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:01,200
obviously very disturbed he looked like

790
00:34:07,130 --> 00:34:04,380
an 11 year old boy who was so unhealthy

791
00:34:11,710 --> 00:34:07,140
that his skin was already wrinkling it

792
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:11,720
was a terrible thing and uh he

793
00:34:16,669 --> 00:34:14,760
he warned me off by growling at me when

794
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:16,679
I walked up to him he was smoking Under

795
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:19,679
a Tree near some very volatile trees

796
00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:24,000
called pitch Pines and he was uh

797
00:34:30,109 --> 00:34:27,300
uh uh I I was afraid he would cause a

798
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:30,119
fire in the pitch Pines and I wanted to

799
00:34:35,149 --> 00:34:32,520
warn him about that and as I walked up

800
00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:35,159
to him he made this deep growling sound

801
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:36,780
and I thought to myself there's

802
00:34:41,389 --> 00:34:39,060
something very odd here and I'm not I've

803
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:41,399
at that point it had plenty of oddness

804
00:34:45,169 --> 00:34:43,980
in my life believe me and I went back to

805
00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:45,179
the house

806
00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:48,419
and after that we noticed the symbol

807
00:34:52,849 --> 00:34:49,740
with the cigarette smoke would come up

808
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:52,859
at night and I could feel him in my mind

809
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:55,020
and it felt like he was saying and

810
00:34:58,430 --> 00:34:56,879
listening a moment ago it felt like he

811
00:35:03,230 --> 00:34:58,440
was listening to my thoughts and it was

812
00:35:05,089 --> 00:35:03,240
incredibly creepy and uh we went skinny

813
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:05,099
and I went skinny dipping once so our

814
00:35:11,450 --> 00:35:09,000
pool was quite private and he was beside

815
00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:11,460
himself he was running up and down in

816
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:13,800
the woods behind the pool there was a

817
00:35:17,810 --> 00:35:15,900
lot of foliage it was late summer and so

818
00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:17,820
you couldn't see him but you could hear

819
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:19,800
him running up and down and cracking

820
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:22,440
sticks and gasping and going on like

821
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:25,260
like us exposing ourselves naked out in

822
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:28,260
the in the in in the open was just the

823
00:35:32,569 --> 00:35:30,660
worst thing we could possibly do and so

824
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:32,579
we went back in the house

825
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:35,220
uh and uh

826
00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:37,500
uh

827
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:40,619
a few months later we lost the cabin and

828
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:41,520
we left

829
00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:44,460
and we drove down to Texas to end up

830
00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:46,260
living in a little condo in San Antonio

831
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,900
my hometown

832
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:51,359
there was a cul-de-sac beside the condo

833
00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:54,480
it was on the ground floor and it wasn't

834
00:36:00,650 --> 00:35:57,540
but a few nights after we arrived there

835
00:36:03,170 --> 00:36:00,660
that ice it was became aware of the fact

836
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:03,180
that someone was standing in that

837
00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:04,440
cul-de-sac

838
00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:07,140
and it was him and there was cigarette

839
00:36:10,849 --> 00:36:08,820
smoke began to drift into the apartment

840
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:10,859
and you could I could again feel him in

841
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:11,880
my mind

842
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:14,820
I tried to engage with him a couple of

843
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,780
times and he couldn't handle

844
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:20,160
it

845
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,000
and uh so finally I put a motion

846
00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:26,640
sensitive light in the cul-de-sac and

847
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,339
when he went into it every time he moved

848
00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:31,680
the light would turn on and he would

849
00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:34,020
gasp and go on and finally

850
00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:35,940
one morning I was working in the little

851
00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:38,280
garden we had there and it came

852
00:36:41,569 --> 00:36:39,960
barreling out around the side of the

853
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:41,579
building and went marching off down the

854
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:42,420
street

855
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,000
and that was the last I saw of him but

856
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,520
it wasn't the end of the story

857
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:49,680
because he

858
00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:52,320
it there were two men living in an

859
00:36:57,530 --> 00:36:55,140
apartment immediately behind ours and he

860
00:37:00,530 --> 00:36:57,540
was somehow associated with them

861
00:37:02,270 --> 00:37:00,540
and they were they were not of this

862
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,280
world they looked human but they were

863
00:37:09,230 --> 00:37:04,560
absolutely not of this world

864
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:09,240
and I finally called the the management

865
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,599
of the condo and said that you know

866
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,640
these people were very unusual and they

867
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,800
had a boy with them there was no

868
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:19,200
evidence of any no evidence that they

869
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:21,180
were related or anything and I just

870
00:37:25,790 --> 00:37:23,460
wanted to know if you know who they were

871
00:37:28,010 --> 00:37:25,800
because I wanted to engage with them and

872
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:28,020
talk to them and see what was going on

873
00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:28,859
there

874
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,800
and the man the management guy says well

875
00:37:35,630 --> 00:37:33,119
there's no one in that apartment it's

876
00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:35,640
empty that it's owned by a man in

877
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:37,320
Houston and he only uses it when he

878
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:40,020
comes up to San Antonio

879
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:41,940
so they gave me his number and I called

880
00:37:46,609 --> 00:37:44,220
him and he said and he said I'm sorry

881
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:46,619
but my apartment is not occupied and I

882
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:48,060
said no there are three people living in

883
00:37:50,990 --> 00:37:48,780
it

884
00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:51,000
so he had them evicted

885
00:37:55,630 --> 00:37:53,220
and that when the eviction notice came

886
00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:55,640
to you it was pasted on the door

887
00:38:00,650 --> 00:37:58,740
they came through the whole condo and

888
00:38:01,849 --> 00:38:00,660
everyone in the condo knew about this at

889
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,859
this point and a lot of people did

890
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:03,359
anyway certainly in our part of it

891
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:05,940
trying to sell a man's Furniture to us

892
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,560
like we would buy the furniture of

893
00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:09,359
someone when we knew perfectly well they

894
00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:10,859
were squatters

895
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:13,020
and they left

896
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:16,800
and that I had seen one of them in a

897
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:21,240
in a drugstore down the road from us uh

898
00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:24,839
and uh during the whole course of this

899
00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:27,960
experience and he had been stealing

900
00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:30,660
smoking materials and putting them in

901
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:32,700
big shopping bags I mean not this is

902
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,380
back in the days when that stuff was all

903
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,960
out on the on shelves it wasn't

904
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:39,359
uh kept back like it is now

905
00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:43,440
and it was blatant and everyone else in

906
00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:45,240
the store except me was just standing

907
00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:47,160
there looking out straight ahead they

908
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:49,140
weren't doing anything

909
00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:52,320
and uh he walks out of the store walks

910
00:38:57,290 --> 00:38:54,420
out beside me with this

911
00:38:59,870 --> 00:38:57,300
Sinister and amused expression on his

912
00:39:00,890 --> 00:38:59,880
face as he walks past me and boy I'm

913
00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:00,900
telling you I was looking at someone

914
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:03,960
from another world but he was also human

915
00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:07,440
looking and the boy in my opinion

916
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,260
came about because of the sexual

917
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:12,720
material it was taken from me and God

918
00:39:18,109 --> 00:39:15,300
knows how he was created whether he was

919
00:39:21,290 --> 00:39:18,119
a hybrid or someone genetically altered

920
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:21,300
or something but he was definitely not

921
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,300
completely human and

922
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:26,880
you extrapolate that into the government

923
00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:29,640
and into the World At Large and you just

924
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:31,560
don't know what might be going on here

925
00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:33,180
not at all

926
00:39:37,069 --> 00:39:35,640
and people who say that this has been

927
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:37,079
infiltrated they've been infiltrated

928
00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:40,380
into the government could be right

929
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:42,780
I mean they could very well be right

930
00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:45,660
because I saw three of these people and

931
00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:47,220
interacted with one of them pretty

932
00:39:55,329 --> 00:39:51,180
extensively the the boy and they were

933
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:55,339
physical beings and they were very

934
00:40:01,490 --> 00:39:58,680
unusual they had the ability to read

935
00:40:07,609 --> 00:40:01,500
minds they could control people's minds

936
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,619
from a distance this happened I thought

937
00:40:12,589 --> 00:40:09,839
and this phenomenon I mean mind control

938
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:12,599
especially on humans seems to be very

939
00:40:16,849 --> 00:40:14,280
strong not only do they have the

940
00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:16,859
capabilities of immobilizing us by

941
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,859
making us not be able to move and a lot

942
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:21,599
of people will only focus on the fact

943
00:40:24,829 --> 00:40:23,940
that people reporting abductions at

944
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,839
night

945
00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:26,640
have the problem of not being able to

946
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,140
move out of bed but there's actually

947
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:29,760
several cases of people in broad

948
00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:32,400
daylight that are all sudden paralyzed

949
00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:34,260
they can't move in the presence of these

950
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,660
entities so there's there's a control

951
00:40:40,910 --> 00:40:38,640
there that any of the Mind Control I

952
00:40:42,910 --> 00:40:40,920
mean it's it's scary to think about as

953
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,920
an individual that you have no control

954
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,640
at all

955
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:46,800
in the presence of these entities that

956
00:40:51,890 --> 00:40:49,500
you're somehow just at their disposal

957
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,900
and at their will

958
00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:54,240
here's the question for you and it's

959
00:40:59,450 --> 00:40:56,220
it's a rhetorical question I know I'm

960
00:41:01,609 --> 00:40:59,460
the one being interviewed uh

961
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:01,619
why don't they do more

962
00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:04,320
why are they so hidden why are they so

963
00:41:09,410 --> 00:41:06,780
hesitant why are they so shy if they

964
00:41:13,069 --> 00:41:09,420
have all this power I've seen the power

965
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:13,079
of the mind that they have it's real

966
00:41:19,550 --> 00:41:16,880
but I mean they use it to steal

967
00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:19,560
cigarettes and pipe tobacco and stuff

968
00:41:25,370 --> 00:41:21,720
not to rob a bank

969
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,380
hello I mean what kind does a screw

970
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:27,359
loose somewhere there

971
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,060
and I I tell you it's not our screw it's

972
00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:32,400
theirs yeah I think what we're looking

973
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:33,720
at here

974
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:38,160
is some kind of an attempt to build a

975
00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:41,820
create a bridge species between us and

976
00:41:46,970 --> 00:41:43,859
whatever the other is

977
00:41:48,349 --> 00:41:46,980
and I think it failed and these people

978
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:48,359
are out here

979
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:51,720
in the world basically kind of left hung

980
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,720
out to dry and nobody supporting them

981
00:41:59,210 --> 00:41:56,240
and nobody cares about them anymore

982
00:42:01,790 --> 00:41:59,220
because they didn't work out

983
00:42:04,490 --> 00:42:01,800
that's my strongest suspicion about

984
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,500
what's going on here right yeah it would

985
00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:07,200
make sense and to the point of the

986
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:09,900
varied array of phenomenon I've heard

987
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:11,400
you mentioned that you've seen weird

988
00:42:16,670 --> 00:42:14,400
images on TV there's been times you felt

989
00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:16,680
like electrostatically charged you've

990
00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:20,460
seen craft lights beings even an implant

991
00:42:24,290 --> 00:42:22,619
so tell us let's get the implant thing

992
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:24,300
out of the way I find that fascinating

993
00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:26,760
tell us about your ear

994
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:30,780
implant yeah well it's right here under

995
00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:33,599
the earphone at the moment and here's

996
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:36,180
this here's the story of the implant

997
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:40,560
in 1989 it was May of 1989 in one of my

998
00:42:44,450 --> 00:42:42,839
books there's a misprint that says 1992

999
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:44,460
but don't be fooled it was definitely

1000
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:48,240
May of 1989. uh there was a copy editing

1001
00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:51,359
mistake in any case of

1002
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,320
I was in bed in in the country house my

1003
00:42:58,849 --> 00:42:57,119
wife was asleep beside me

1004
00:43:01,130 --> 00:42:58,859
and

1005
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,140
uh

1006
00:43:05,569 --> 00:43:02,880
all of a sudden

1007
00:43:07,730 --> 00:43:05,579
I heard the crunch of gravel in the

1008
00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:07,740
driveway

1009
00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:10,440
and that was disturbing because it's 11

1010
00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:12,839
o'clock at night no car lights but

1011
00:43:19,370 --> 00:43:15,300
clearly a vehicle out there

1012
00:43:21,290 --> 00:43:19,380
more disturbing a big heavy gate across

1013
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:21,300
the driveway so I had to drive around

1014
00:43:28,130 --> 00:43:24,180
the gator God knows in this case may be

1015
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:28,140
over it uh in any case it's there

1016
00:43:35,089 --> 00:43:32,520
and I have at this point an array of

1017
00:43:37,069 --> 00:43:35,099
floodlights all around the house which

1018
00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:37,079
can be turned on with a switch beside

1019
00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:38,280
the bed

1020
00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:45,900
shotgun

1021
00:43:50,329 --> 00:43:47,400
so

1022
00:43:53,450 --> 00:43:50,339
my immediate reaction

1023
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:53,460
is to start to go for the lights

1024
00:43:58,609 --> 00:43:56,640
because there's it's a car is arriving

1025
00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:58,619
but there's no evidence that anyone's

1026
00:44:02,270 --> 00:44:00,599
there so I need to light the area up

1027
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,280
they're not plan to get the shotgun out

1028
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,800
and go to the window that was my Mo that

1029
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,480
was my expectation

1030
00:44:10,809 --> 00:44:08,880
as I turned to go to the light switches

1031
00:44:12,970 --> 00:44:10,819
I saw two people at the foot of the bed

1032
00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:12,980
across the hall

1033
00:44:17,630 --> 00:44:15,720
there's a whole door at the at the end

1034
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:17,640
of the far end of the bedroom and the

1035
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,280
bed fainted so they were at standing in

1036
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,280
the hall door and simultaneously heard a

1037
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:25,680
male voice in the backyard say condition

1038
00:44:31,970 --> 00:44:29,220
red now you notice a male voice people

1039
00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:31,980
I'm not talking about aliens here this

1040
00:44:36,250 --> 00:44:34,440
was a people thing or a hybrid thing but

1041
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:36,260
in any case

1042
00:44:42,109 --> 00:44:39,200
whoever did this looked like us

1043
00:44:43,849 --> 00:44:42,119
immediately I changed my plan I'm going

1044
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,859
for the shotgun because I'm there's

1045
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:45,599
people in the house you understand

1046
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:48,180
there's an alarm system a very

1047
00:44:55,069 --> 00:44:51,839
sophisticated one it is turned on it is

1048
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:55,079
not disarmed I can see the red light on

1049
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:57,420
the LED right beside the bed with my own

1050
00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:00,240
eyes at that moment while the people are

1051
00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:02,760
already in the house

1052
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,160
I start to go for the shotgun and the

1053
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:06,960
next thing I know I'm lying on my side

1054
00:45:12,770 --> 00:45:10,020
on my right side I am blinded I can't

1055
00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:12,780
see a thing it's dark I can't open my

1056
00:45:17,930 --> 00:45:15,060
eyes I can't move

1057
00:45:20,329 --> 00:45:17,940
someone is pushing down on this side of

1058
00:45:23,170 --> 00:45:20,339
my head pushing it into the pillow in

1059
00:45:26,030 --> 00:45:23,180
waves like you know like this

1060
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:26,040
and the woman's voice is speaking very

1061
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:27,720
softly and gently

1062
00:45:34,970 --> 00:45:30,180
and then

1063
00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:34,980
it ends that there's a big flash of

1064
00:45:40,730 --> 00:45:38,040
light a sound like people running

1065
00:45:43,069 --> 00:45:40,740
running through brush and then running

1066
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:43,079
through the woods

1067
00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:47,460
I am able to move I jump up I grab the

1068
00:45:53,390 --> 00:45:50,339
pistol I run through the house looking

1069
00:45:56,809 --> 00:45:53,400
for open fenestrations there's the

1070
00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:56,819
everything is intact there is no sign of

1071
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:00,660
any break-in and the alarm system is

1072
00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:04,319
still turned on I end up sitting on the

1073
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,980
side of the bed thinking what the hell

1074
00:46:13,630 --> 00:46:09,599
happened

1075
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:13,640
I decide

1076
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,260
it had to be dream

1077
00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:18,240
because the alarm system didn't go off

1078
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,700
and there's no window open or door or

1079
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:22,560
anything

1080
00:46:25,970 --> 00:46:24,000
so

1081
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,980
let me put it this way about sleeping

1082
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:27,839
for the rest of the night that did not

1083
00:46:32,270 --> 00:46:29,700
really happen I lay there you know a

1084
00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:32,280
little nervous terribly on edge you know

1085
00:46:36,050 --> 00:46:34,920
and uh kept turning the floodlights on

1086
00:46:37,609 --> 00:46:36,060
and off and

1087
00:46:41,569 --> 00:46:37,619
uh

1088
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,150
in the in the morning the first thing I

1089
00:46:48,770 --> 00:46:46,800
would always do is I would with Ann I

1090
00:46:51,950 --> 00:46:48,780
would say first did you notice anything

1091
00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:51,960
and if she said yes I would ask her what

1092
00:46:54,589 --> 00:46:53,700
she had noticed and sometimes there were

1093
00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:54,599
things

1094
00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:56,520
but this time I asked her and she's no

1095
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,619
it seems that I only remember a quiet

1096
00:47:01,790 --> 00:47:00,240
night so I told her the whole story in

1097
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,800
detail

1098
00:47:06,109 --> 00:47:03,780
then we went downstairs to make

1099
00:47:07,730 --> 00:47:06,119
breakfast our son was waking up he

1100
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:07,740
probably had a little friend with him

1101
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:09,119
would be my guess

1102
00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:11,220
and uh

1103
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:13,260
uh

1104
00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:16,319
we went we were making breakfast and I

1105
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:18,780
thought I'll go out and get the paper we

1106
00:47:23,329 --> 00:47:21,480
were by that time I was dressed and

1107
00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:23,339
because you couldn't get the paper

1108
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:25,260
delivered there and I'm a big newspaper

1109
00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:27,660
reader and there was no internet really

1110
00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:31,140
then anyway so I went out to the garage

1111
00:47:36,589 --> 00:47:34,140
and the garage was attached I opened the

1112
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:36,599
door into the garage the alarm system

1113
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:39,359
was still fully alarmed but the garage

1114
00:47:45,890 --> 00:47:42,900
door was wide open wide open

1115
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:45,900
but the alarm system was not sounding in

1116
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:48,300
any way whatsoever it was functioning as

1117
00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:50,460
if there was no nothing open and I had

1118
00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:51,960
not looked in the garage during the

1119
00:47:57,950 --> 00:47:54,900
night I just looked at the windows

1120
00:48:00,349 --> 00:47:57,960
so then I knew someone had been in there

1121
00:48:02,329 --> 00:48:00,359
I called the alarm guy he came and he

1122
00:48:04,609 --> 00:48:02,339
found a very heavy duty magnetic field

1123
00:48:07,790 --> 00:48:04,619
free floating around the garage switch

1124
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:07,800
which is what kept it from trip tripping

1125
00:48:11,870 --> 00:48:10,140
and he said we have no equipment that

1126
00:48:14,690 --> 00:48:11,880
created could create a magnetic field

1127
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,700
this intense all I can do is replace the

1128
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:17,040
switch which he did

1129
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:22,319
Okay so I'm I'm left with this what the

1130
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,520
hell is it

1131
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:25,920
then a few days later my ear starts to

1132
00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:26,940
hurt

1133
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,460
and I'm feeling it hit and I feel a

1134
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:31,680
little bump in it which I feeling right

1135
00:48:35,809 --> 00:48:32,640
now

1136
00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:35,819
and I think to myself holy God I've got

1137
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:37,800
an implant because I knew Dr Roger Lear

1138
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,140
at the time I knew about alien implants

1139
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:42,960
we we tested people trying to find them

1140
00:48:47,329 --> 00:48:45,000
so it was no secret that they existed

1141
00:48:48,650 --> 00:48:47,339
but this was not aliens I didn't think

1142
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,660
of course it could have something to do

1143
00:48:55,849 --> 00:48:51,119
with the hybrids I don't know

1144
00:48:57,770 --> 00:48:55,859
um in any case I'm frantic it hurts I

1145
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:57,780
want it out on me I feel like I'm being

1146
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:00,000
watched It's terrifying

1147
00:49:04,849 --> 00:49:04,020
and and he says no no don't get it taken

1148
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:04,859
out

1149
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,380
let's see what it's for

1150
00:49:11,809 --> 00:49:09,119
and of course I was always her

1151
00:49:14,510 --> 00:49:11,819
experience her experimental animal uh

1152
00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:14,520
back in when I started decided I needed

1153
00:49:18,410 --> 00:49:16,260
to go out into the woods at night to

1154
00:49:20,030 --> 00:49:18,420
re-engage with the visitors when I once

1155
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,040
I realized they were real

1156
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:22,079
I said well let's do this let's go out

1157
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:24,540
into the woods about 11 or 12 and just

1158
00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:25,980
walk out to where I think it happened

1159
00:49:32,690 --> 00:49:29,220
it's a signal for them that

1160
00:49:34,430 --> 00:49:32,700
we're ready for to to engage in some way

1161
00:49:36,109 --> 00:49:34,440
and I thought it was probably dangerous

1162
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:36,119
as hell but I was going to do it anyway

1163
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,680
because after all

1164
00:49:42,050 --> 00:49:39,359
they were real

1165
00:49:44,750 --> 00:49:42,060
uh and she says oh fine that's a great

1166
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:44,760
idea you do it I'll stay here at the

1167
00:49:50,089 --> 00:49:48,480
house yeah but so I did I had done it

1168
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,099
and I had re-engaged with them quite

1169
00:49:53,809 --> 00:49:52,079
extensively which is what the two books

1170
00:49:56,030 --> 00:49:53,819
transformation and breakthrough are

1171
00:50:00,770 --> 00:49:56,040
about that followed communion

1172
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,780
uh so uh in any case going back to the

1173
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:01,920
implant

1174
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,040
it would turn on and the ear would get

1175
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:08,160
very hot and there would be this sound

1176
00:50:13,609 --> 00:50:11,760
in my head and it has become a major

1177
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:13,619
part of my life I tried to get it

1178
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:16,980
removed in the mid 90s but I guess about

1179
00:50:23,329 --> 00:50:21,119
95 or 96 and Annie said we'll make a

1180
00:50:25,970 --> 00:50:23,339
compromise you get one chance but

1181
00:50:27,710 --> 00:50:25,980
quickly I I just have a feeling this

1182
00:50:29,569 --> 00:50:27,720
thing is very important

1183
00:50:32,030 --> 00:50:29,579
and um

1184
00:50:34,849 --> 00:50:32,040
don't get it removed which I'm not going

1185
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:34,859
to say no this one time the doctor opens

1186
00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:37,200
it up and it's on video on my website

1187
00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:39,720
yeah I've seen it and then the uh yeah

1188
00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:43,500
and he says it's a white dish she says

1189
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,140
it's a white disc and he's looking at it

1190
00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:48,720
it goes it moves down from here down

1191
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:51,660
into the bottom of my ear on its own to

1192
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,000
get away from the scalpel that scares

1193
00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:56,400
him and he pulls out of course I mean

1194
00:50:59,530 --> 00:50:58,020
you have to take my whole ear off to get

1195
00:51:03,710 --> 00:50:59,540
it at that point

1196
00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:03,720
so two days later it stings burns like

1197
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,940
hell and comes back up to where it is to

1198
00:51:10,730 --> 00:51:06,960
this day

1199
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,740
after Annie passes away

1200
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,480
the implant

1201
00:51:18,049 --> 00:51:14,880
comes to life

1202
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:18,059
a slit opens up in my right eye now it's

1203
00:51:21,470 --> 00:51:19,500
in my left eye but in the beginning it

1204
00:51:23,870 --> 00:51:21,480
was in my right eye and you can see

1205
00:51:25,549 --> 00:51:23,880
words racing through the slit at very

1206
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:25,559
great speeds

1207
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,280
I'm told by some people who show up in

1208
00:51:34,010 --> 00:51:31,680
the middle of the night and explain this

1209
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:34,020
thing to me some some years later about

1210
00:51:43,210 --> 00:51:37,920
that and about uh uh 2020

1211
00:51:46,430 --> 00:51:43,220
that it what is doing is drawing

1212
00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:46,440
un unthought thoughts up from my

1213
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:49,740
subconscious and it and by that time I'm

1214
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:52,380
using it as a research tool and I'm

1215
00:51:56,569 --> 00:51:53,760
wondering what the words are because

1216
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,579
they move too fast for you to read and

1217
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:58,319
they're explaining that these are things

1218
00:52:08,870 --> 00:51:59,520
I

1219
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:08,880
it's like it's it's like a an

1220
00:52:13,549 --> 00:52:11,339
inspirational device that uses my

1221
00:52:14,829 --> 00:52:13,559
unconscious as the source of its of its

1222
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:14,839
information

1223
00:52:21,049 --> 00:52:18,420
and I use it all the time now it's my

1224
00:52:22,849 --> 00:52:21,059
Primo research tool that's why my the

1225
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,859
research in my books in my opinion has

1226
00:52:27,770 --> 00:52:24,480
gotten of such extraordinarily high

1227
00:52:30,349 --> 00:52:27,780
quality in afterlife revolution in a new

1228
00:52:31,250 --> 00:52:30,359
world in Jesus a new vision and now in

1229
00:52:36,049 --> 00:52:31,260
them

1230
00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:36,059
the research is very strong and I think

1231
00:52:41,870 --> 00:52:39,000
that this thing has something to do and

1232
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:41,880
this puts a whole new level on the whole

1233
00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:44,460
thing with our own dead

1234
00:52:51,410 --> 00:52:47,700
and that the visitors

1235
00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:51,420
are somehow connected with our dead and

1236
00:52:59,329 --> 00:52:56,280
may even be humans in another form

1237
00:53:01,370 --> 00:52:59,339
right because even uh talking with um it

1238
00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:01,380
was Mindy I think we were talking to uh

1239
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,540
Louis and she had mentioned about her

1240
00:53:06,349 --> 00:53:05,280
brain I think she had an aneurysm or

1241
00:53:07,849 --> 00:53:06,359
something

1242
00:53:10,490 --> 00:53:07,859
um and she was talking about her

1243
00:53:12,589 --> 00:53:10,500
Consciousness being the same in her body

1244
00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:12,599
to when she popped out of her body there

1245
00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:15,180
was no difference her Consciousness was

1246
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:17,099
the same she thought the same way like

1247
00:53:19,609 --> 00:53:18,720
it had nothing to do with her body in

1248
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:19,619
her mind

1249
00:53:24,650 --> 00:53:22,559
and the more we delve into it I mean

1250
00:53:27,770 --> 00:53:24,660
there's a lot of subjects within the

1251
00:53:29,569 --> 00:53:27,780
study of this phenomenon that seemed

1252
00:53:31,130 --> 00:53:29,579
woo-woo when you first start but then

1253
00:53:32,569 --> 00:53:31,140
the more you talk to people the more

1254
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,579
those people like no you need to look

1255
00:53:37,790 --> 00:53:35,040
into it there's a connection and we're

1256
00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:37,800
finding that more and more now as uh you

1257
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:40,740
know we're researching this and deeping

1258
00:53:46,490 --> 00:53:43,440
or or I should say digging deeper into

1259
00:53:48,530 --> 00:53:46,500
the phenomenon and how many branches it

1260
00:53:51,950 --> 00:53:48,540
branches out on many different fields of

1261
00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:51,960
study uh as for you because I'm just

1262
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:53,880
curious now you're uh

1263
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,160
you know getting a little bit older and

1264
00:54:00,290 --> 00:53:57,839
I'm just wondering if your experiences

1265
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,300
with these entities has diminished

1266
00:54:03,890 --> 00:54:02,400
somehow uh because I was speaking with

1267
00:54:05,390 --> 00:54:03,900
some people that were saying that they

1268
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,400
were getting less and less visitations

1269
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:07,200
as they were getting older that's not

1270
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:08,400
your case

1271
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:13,140
not at all I'm heavily engaged and uh as

1272
00:54:18,370 --> 00:54:16,200
far as woo-woo concerned is concerned I

1273
00:54:22,430 --> 00:54:18,380
am Mr woo-woo

1274
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:22,440
and yet and yet I am describing my

1275
00:54:30,049 --> 00:54:28,549
accurately as accurately as I can I

1276
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:30,059
would not say

1277
00:54:35,890 --> 00:54:33,000
I would not argue that what I am saying

1278
00:54:40,250 --> 00:54:35,900
and describing is exactly what happened

1279
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:40,260
but I will argue this it is the best I

1280
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:43,440
can do in terms of describing my own

1281
00:54:45,970 --> 00:54:45,240
memories

1282
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:45,980
um

1283
00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:47,640
so

1284
00:54:54,170 --> 00:54:50,760
I think that if when you when you talk

1285
00:54:56,510 --> 00:54:54,180
to Witnesses whose story sound

1286
00:54:58,250 --> 00:54:56,520
very logical and believable and

1287
00:55:00,730 --> 00:54:58,260
reasonable

1288
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:00,740
you're talking to people who have

1289
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:03,720
blondered their stories or not telling

1290
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:06,720
true stories because this is no way is

1291
00:55:12,890 --> 00:55:09,839
it logical believable and reasonable it

1292
00:55:17,210 --> 00:55:12,900
is completely crazy it is unbelievable

1293
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:17,220
and it is about about as reasonable as a

1294
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:21,200
as a as a drunk on LSD

1295
00:55:26,270 --> 00:55:24,480
that's the I mean that's the fact great

1296
00:55:28,490 --> 00:55:26,280
an analogy yeah

1297
00:55:31,549 --> 00:55:28,500
yeah and the I think one of the reasons

1298
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,559
I ended up so deep in this is I'm really

1299
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:33,599
good at describing things that are

1300
00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:36,240
extremely strange my mind does not get

1301
00:55:43,250 --> 00:55:38,819
confused by the strangeness it just

1302
00:55:45,290 --> 00:55:43,260
never has and in them I I show I go into

1303
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:45,300
an analysis of how the brain actually

1304
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,180
functions and the Brain the human brain

1305
00:55:54,109 --> 00:55:50,400
has a lot of trouble with novel

1306
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:54,119
experience it will try to shoehorn that

1307
00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:56,400
experience into something it already

1308
00:56:01,069 --> 00:55:58,800
understands and that's how you end up

1309
00:56:04,250 --> 00:56:01,079
with folklore and Imagination and all

1310
00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:04,260
that stuff for whatever reason my my

1311
00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:07,260
gray matter doesn't do that and in the

1312
00:56:13,630 --> 00:56:10,140
book also there is one letter where you

1313
00:56:17,210 --> 00:56:13,640
can see the visitors were trying

1314
00:56:20,569 --> 00:56:17,220
to take this person through an

1315
00:56:23,569 --> 00:56:20,579
experience with them in such a way that

1316
00:56:26,030 --> 00:56:23,579
their brain wouldn't confuse things and

1317
00:56:28,370 --> 00:56:26,040
and that they took it step by step so

1318
00:56:31,490 --> 00:56:28,380
the brain always had something to rely

1319
00:56:33,490 --> 00:56:31,500
on as it as it moved from one level of

1320
00:56:37,309 --> 00:56:33,500
strangeness to the next it was brilliant

1321
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,319
brilliantly done uh so

1322
00:56:41,329 --> 00:56:39,599
you know they're here and they are

1323
00:56:45,290 --> 00:56:41,339
trying to communicate with us and by the

1324
00:56:46,849 --> 00:56:45,300
way there are 11 letters in them not one

1325
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:46,859
of them is a conventional abduction

1326
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:49,740
experience because when you go into the

1327
00:56:53,930 --> 00:56:52,140
communion letters archive you find the

1328
00:56:56,809 --> 00:56:53,940
conventional deduction experiences are

1329
00:57:00,410 --> 00:56:56,819
few and far between the actual things

1330
00:57:03,230 --> 00:57:00,420
that are happening to people are much

1331
00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:03,240
much Stranger Than The abduction

1332
00:57:07,309 --> 00:57:04,920
experience

1333
00:57:09,710 --> 00:57:07,319
yeah for me one of the coolest things in

1334
00:57:11,630 --> 00:57:09,720
the quest to try to find proof or to

1335
00:57:13,609 --> 00:57:11,640
have somebody with some type of artifact

1336
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:13,619
or something is the thought of

1337
00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:16,140
metamaterials and we had Dr Gary Nolan

1338
00:57:20,089 --> 00:57:17,940
on a couple of uh maybe two months ago

1339
00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:20,099
Jay something like this and so I asked

1340
00:57:24,770 --> 00:57:22,920
them about you know Arts Parts uh and I

1341
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,780
know you know all about it but I I

1342
00:57:28,370 --> 00:57:26,400
explained you know this was given from

1343
00:57:31,609 --> 00:57:28,380
Art Bell to Linda Moulton Howe and then

1344
00:57:34,250 --> 00:57:31,619
bought by ttsaa and Gary Nolan and as

1345
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,260
I'm talking he's like rummaging for

1346
00:57:38,569 --> 00:57:36,480
something off camera so I just kept

1347
00:57:40,250 --> 00:57:38,579
asking my question and finally I said

1348
00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:40,260
like what are you doing you better be

1349
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:42,180
reaching for something and he pulls out

1350
00:57:48,530 --> 00:57:45,359
a piece of that exact magnesium bismuth

1351
00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:48,540
layered atomically engineered material

1352
00:57:53,569 --> 00:57:51,000
and he started to talk about it now I

1353
00:57:55,609 --> 00:57:53,579
know you had a piece of this as well and

1354
00:57:59,089 --> 00:57:55,619
I got a piece right now in my office in

1355
00:58:00,530 --> 00:57:59,099
in uh in California absolutely amazing

1356
00:58:02,809 --> 00:58:00,540
and I've heard you say that you believe

1357
00:58:04,849 --> 00:58:02,819
this is not even from this universe let

1358
00:58:07,089 --> 00:58:04,859
alone from this planet now well no the

1359
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,099
that's not quite accurate

1360
00:58:12,829 --> 00:58:10,319
there was a study done and I could be

1361
00:58:17,329 --> 00:58:12,839
wrong I believe it was by Jacque Valley

1362
00:58:17,950 --> 00:58:17,339
that where they analyzed the the

1363
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:17,960
um

1364
00:58:25,730 --> 00:58:21,440
uh the uh

1365
00:58:29,390 --> 00:58:25,740
isotopic ratios in some of the material

1366
00:58:31,790 --> 00:58:29,400
and understand it's not just Arts Parts

1367
00:58:34,490 --> 00:58:31,800
when when when the defense department

1368
00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:34,500
says they have no materials

1369
00:58:39,170 --> 00:58:37,020
they're probably not lying because they

1370
00:58:41,329 --> 00:58:39,180
are so screwed up in terms of their

1371
00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:41,339
records especially when it comes with

1372
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:44,700
this level of classification where 50 or

1373
00:58:50,329 --> 00:58:46,799
more of the of the meetings are are all

1374
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:50,339
pencils up and at this point in time so

1375
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:52,440
much of the materials have been farmed

1376
00:58:57,049 --> 00:58:55,200
out into private defense and defense

1377
00:59:00,049 --> 00:58:57,059
contractors that they don't even have

1378
00:59:03,289 --> 00:59:00,059
records of them anymore but in fact

1379
00:59:05,930 --> 00:59:03,299
there's a lot more than Arts Parks Arts

1380
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:05,940
Parts are just a little handful compared

1381
00:59:14,569 --> 00:59:09,359
to what's available and what's there and

1382
00:59:17,809 --> 00:59:14,579
uh and has been studied and used in uh

1383
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:17,819
uh in processes that have been been

1384
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:20,880
developed by US based on the way these

1385
00:59:25,370 --> 00:59:23,520
materials operated and functioned back

1386
00:59:28,670 --> 00:59:25,380
in 1980

1387
00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:28,680
six before I even published communion I

1388
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:30,839
was trying to get some kind of a handle

1389
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:34,319
on the materials but on not on the

1390
00:59:37,490 --> 00:59:35,880
materials I didn't know about them at

1391
00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:37,500
the time but on whether or not there was

1392
00:59:43,549 --> 00:59:39,900
any kind of physical evidence of this

1393
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:43,559
stuff and I Bud Hopkins introduced me to

1394
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:46,079
Stanton Friedman who in turn introduced

1395
00:59:52,190 --> 00:59:49,500
me to Dr Robert sauerbacher and Dr Sarah

1396
00:59:54,650 --> 00:59:52,200
Barker was a metallurgist a very high

1397
00:59:56,510 --> 00:59:54,660
place metallurgist and he left letters

1398
00:59:59,329 --> 00:59:56,520
on the that are public on the internet

1399
01:00:00,890 --> 00:59:59,339
now he didn't hold with the secrecy and

1400
01:00:03,710 --> 01:00:00,900
he was very Frank about the work he was

1401
01:00:08,030 --> 01:00:03,720
doing and he told me yes we have

1402
01:00:10,130 --> 01:00:08,040
materials and we have used them in in

1403
01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:10,140
all kinds of processes that we've

1404
01:00:18,190 --> 01:00:12,839
developed and improved the creating

1405
01:00:22,010 --> 01:00:18,200
things like super hard metals and uh

1406
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,020
something else I think he said uh super

1407
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:24,000
durable coatings

1408
01:00:29,569 --> 01:00:27,420
uh he probably would have said radar uh

1409
01:00:31,730 --> 01:00:29,579
deflecting Coatings but he I don't think

1410
01:00:33,890 --> 01:00:31,740
I think that was very classified at the

1411
01:00:36,890 --> 01:00:33,900
time and I don't but he didn't he said

1412
01:00:39,289 --> 01:00:36,900
he deferred to Coatings and then he said

1413
01:00:41,390 --> 01:00:39,299
to me I would like you to write down

1414
01:00:42,829 --> 01:00:41,400
everything that has happened to you and

1415
01:00:45,289 --> 01:00:42,839
send it to me

1416
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:45,299
uh as soon as you can and gave me his

1417
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:46,319
address

1418
01:00:50,690 --> 01:00:49,200
and the next day for the first time it

1419
01:00:53,329 --> 01:00:50,700
occurred to me I should write this down

1420
01:00:56,329 --> 01:00:53,339
and I wrote it all down on five or six

1421
01:00:58,609 --> 01:00:56,339
sheets of paper uh typed paper and sent

1422
01:01:02,210 --> 01:00:58,619
it to him overnight

1423
01:01:04,970 --> 01:01:02,220
I got a call from the UPS overnight guy

1424
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:04,980
the a couple of days later saying

1425
01:01:08,410 --> 01:01:07,079
that he couldn't deliver my parcel

1426
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:08,420
because the

1427
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:11,280
the recipient had died

1428
01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:14,400
Dr sauerbacher died the day after we

1429
01:01:19,490 --> 01:01:16,020
talked

1430
01:01:21,410 --> 01:01:19,500
and he said he his family said he died

1431
01:01:23,630 --> 01:01:21,420
of natural causes but I don't know

1432
01:01:25,849 --> 01:01:23,640
whether that was true or not scared The

1433
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:25,859
Living Daylights out of me

1434
01:01:30,049 --> 01:01:28,319
because at that time I was beginning to

1435
01:01:32,510 --> 01:01:30,059
become aware that there was a lot of

1436
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:32,520
secrecy involved in this whole thing

1437
01:01:36,890 --> 01:01:34,740
and I thought did someone kill him

1438
01:01:39,770 --> 01:01:36,900
because he's talking too much

1439
01:01:43,250 --> 01:01:39,780
and I know enough about intelligence

1440
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:43,260
work to know that that does happen and I

1441
01:01:49,130 --> 01:01:46,799
I so when you read communion I refer to

1442
01:01:51,049 --> 01:01:49,140
it all very obliquely not very directly

1443
01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:51,059
because I was scared to

1444
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:53,880
be more blatant about it I'd tell the

1445
01:02:00,770 --> 01:01:56,880
story in much more detail in them

1446
01:02:05,569 --> 01:02:00,780
anyway we have materials we have been

1447
01:02:07,549 --> 01:02:05,579
studying them for years they have been a

1448
01:02:09,890 --> 01:02:07,559
lot of what has been found has been

1449
01:02:12,349 --> 01:02:09,900
expressed into Private Industry and into

1450
01:02:14,329 --> 01:02:12,359
the defense industry in various ways and

1451
01:02:16,670 --> 01:02:14,339
probably not just by the United States

1452
01:02:20,030 --> 01:02:16,680
probably by other countries as well

1453
01:02:22,490 --> 01:02:20,040
so that is what is real

1454
01:02:24,289 --> 01:02:22,500
and what Gary showed you is quite real

1455
01:02:27,890 --> 01:02:24,299
and what Jacques found on getting back

1456
01:02:31,069 --> 01:02:27,900
to that was that the isotopic ratios in

1457
01:02:32,329 --> 01:02:31,079
some of this material could not exist on

1458
01:02:35,569 --> 01:02:32,339
Earth

1459
01:02:39,770 --> 01:02:35,579
or anywhere in the known universe

1460
01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:39,780
the the ratios were not of this world at

1461
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:41,040
all

1462
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:43,200
yeah and I asked Gary that and again

1463
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,900
he's he's a doctor so he has his own you

1464
01:02:49,549 --> 01:02:47,520
know if he can't prove it you can't talk

1465
01:02:51,170 --> 01:02:49,559
about it but I was asking about that and

1466
01:02:53,630 --> 01:02:51,180
I said look if this is supposedly a

1467
01:02:55,069 --> 01:02:53,640
piece of a crash from the 40s obviously

1468
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:55,079
it was Kept For This many years because

1469
01:02:59,569 --> 01:02:57,119
of its importance the only way and I'm

1470
01:03:01,370 --> 01:02:59,579
not a physicist or you know a scientist

1471
01:03:04,130 --> 01:03:01,380
but the only way you can rearrange

1472
01:03:06,289 --> 01:03:04,140
isotopic ratio is through a particle

1473
01:03:08,510 --> 01:03:06,299
accelerator that didn't exist in the 40s

1474
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:08,520
and again we wanted to keep it friendly

1475
01:03:12,349 --> 01:03:10,079
and happy we're not in the habit of

1476
01:03:15,530 --> 01:03:12,359
hammering on our guests I sensed there

1477
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:15,540
was a reluctance to go there and to just

1478
01:03:19,970 --> 01:03:17,280
let's stop talking about this so I just

1479
01:03:22,430 --> 01:03:19,980
said look it to what you know or have

1480
01:03:24,349 --> 01:03:22,440
been told are we in possession of exotic

1481
01:03:26,690 --> 01:03:24,359
materials that did not originate on this

1482
01:03:29,329 --> 01:03:26,700
planet and he threw me a bone and he

1483
01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:29,339
said you know uh I haven't seen it but

1484
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:30,420
from what I've been told from

1485
01:03:34,910 --> 01:03:32,880
high-ranking people yes so he confirmed

1486
01:03:36,829 --> 01:03:34,920
it in a roundabout way that was good

1487
01:03:39,289 --> 01:03:36,839
enough for me but I just can't get over

1488
01:03:41,329 --> 01:03:39,299
the fact that it's so hard to get that

1489
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:41,339
out of people like There's no practical

1490
01:03:46,910 --> 01:03:43,920
use for this stuff the way it's layered

1491
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:46,920
and you know Nano layers thin nobody

1492
01:03:51,230 --> 01:03:48,720
would do that the cost would be so

1493
01:03:53,809 --> 01:03:51,240
astronomical to make a handful of it

1494
01:03:56,270 --> 01:03:53,819
there'd be no practical commercials more

1495
01:03:59,809 --> 01:03:56,280
than the cost the amount of energy

1496
01:04:02,569 --> 01:03:59,819
necessary exactly isotopic ratios in

1497
01:04:03,770 --> 01:04:02,579
that way is immense that's right I don't

1498
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:03,780
even know that we could do it

1499
01:04:08,049 --> 01:04:06,240
technologically even if we wanted to I

1500
01:04:10,849 --> 01:04:08,059
mean we theoretically it's possible yes

1501
01:04:11,930 --> 01:04:10,859
but I'm I'm not at all sure we could do

1502
01:04:16,609 --> 01:04:11,940
it

1503
01:04:18,349 --> 01:04:16,619
materials aren't from another level of

1504
01:04:21,770 --> 01:04:18,359
reality or Another Universe because

1505
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,780
there's you have to get really deep into

1506
01:04:25,730 --> 01:04:24,000
the cracks of this experience to begin

1507
01:04:29,329 --> 01:04:25,740
to understand it

1508
01:04:34,970 --> 01:04:29,339
and I can never forget the fact that one

1509
01:04:41,809 --> 01:04:38,690
she heard them one of them say we

1510
01:04:47,930 --> 01:04:41,819
rearrange atoms

1511
01:04:49,849 --> 01:04:47,940
can do essentially anything they want

1512
01:04:52,730 --> 01:04:49,859
with the material world

1513
01:04:55,069 --> 01:04:52,740
yeah that statement when I heard her say

1514
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:55,079
that I thought to myself

1515
01:05:01,549 --> 01:04:57,119
this means

1516
01:05:05,630 --> 01:05:01,559
that they are limitlessly powerful they

1517
01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:05,640
have control over the most fundamental

1518
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:09,660
level of material reality

1519
01:05:16,970 --> 01:05:13,680
yeah so we can't ever forget that and as

1520
01:05:20,450 --> 01:05:16,980
far as the Bismuth magnesium layering is

1521
01:05:22,670 --> 01:05:20,460
concerned uh we examine that at

1522
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:22,680
Southwest research many years ago and

1523
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:26,720
did a 600 power microscopic image of it

1524
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:31,440
and the layers this foamed magnesium and

1525
01:05:35,650 --> 01:05:33,839
then a layer of bismuth like a sandwich

1526
01:05:38,329 --> 01:05:35,660
with many layers

1527
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,339
and or a layer cake

1528
01:05:42,770 --> 01:05:40,559
and but between the layers it's just

1529
01:05:44,089 --> 01:05:42,780
empty there's no nothing there there's

1530
01:05:46,490 --> 01:05:44,099
no adherent

1531
01:05:49,370 --> 01:05:46,500
so why are they how are they kept

1532
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:49,380
together yeah it sits in my office right

1533
01:05:55,130 --> 01:05:52,740
now and it's a it's a it's a it's a

1534
01:05:56,930 --> 01:05:55,140
miracle it doesn't it can't exist but

1535
01:05:59,390 --> 01:05:56,940
there it is

1536
01:06:01,789 --> 01:05:59,400
yeah just even the technology of what

1537
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:01,799
people describe on these ships

1538
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:03,680
um you know in Hollywood we have we

1539
01:06:08,569 --> 01:06:06,480
fantasize a lot about what aliens are

1540
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:08,579
like and we put a lot of our own nature

1541
01:06:13,130 --> 01:06:11,520
in the alien nature that they're here

1542
01:06:15,530 --> 01:06:13,140
for our resources they're here you know

1543
01:06:19,130 --> 01:06:15,540
basically invade us the same

1544
01:06:20,329 --> 01:06:19,140
Homo Sapien nature we inflect on them we

1545
01:06:21,950 --> 01:06:20,339
think that they're this is what they

1546
01:06:23,809 --> 01:06:21,960
must be up to because we can't think the

1547
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:23,819
way that they think right it's an alien

1548
01:06:27,170 --> 01:06:25,680
way of thinking even the experiences

1549
01:06:29,690 --> 01:06:27,180
you're talking about they're alien

1550
01:06:32,210 --> 01:06:29,700
experiences the brain cannot categorize

1551
01:06:34,370 --> 01:06:32,220
it or put it in the box they're foreign

1552
01:06:35,930 --> 01:06:34,380
they're alien to us

1553
01:06:38,029 --> 01:06:35,940
um you were talking about the hybrids

1554
01:06:40,370 --> 01:06:38,039
and the hybrids could be kind of like a

1555
01:06:41,870 --> 01:06:40,380
liaison between our species and their

1556
01:06:45,950 --> 01:06:41,880
species

1557
01:06:49,370 --> 01:06:45,960
might not work but if you have a

1558
01:06:50,809 --> 01:06:49,380
middleman that can be on either side and

1559
01:06:53,329 --> 01:06:50,819
sort of make connections and

1560
01:06:55,069 --> 01:06:53,339
communication communion uh between

1561
01:06:57,289 --> 01:06:55,079
entities

1562
01:06:59,630 --> 01:06:57,299
that makes sense that that sort of

1563
01:07:01,849 --> 01:06:59,640
connection between us and them there's

1564
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:01,859
got to be a middle guy because otherwise

1565
01:07:05,809 --> 01:07:03,359
it's going to be too foreign too alien

1566
01:07:08,270 --> 01:07:05,819
we won't understand it their technology

1567
01:07:10,849 --> 01:07:08,280
seems simplistic but it's super

1568
01:07:11,690 --> 01:07:10,859
complicated on you know the the quantum

1569
01:07:14,569 --> 01:07:11,700
level

1570
01:07:17,089 --> 01:07:14,579
I take it or leave it Louie and I are

1571
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:17,099
huge friends of and of the story of Bob

1572
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:19,680
Lazar and the way he describes about how

1573
01:07:24,349 --> 01:07:22,559
this material looks just mundane but it

1574
01:07:26,510 --> 01:07:24,359
does the most amazing thing and once you

1575
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:26,520
get down to the molecular level

1576
01:07:31,010 --> 01:07:29,280
it's it's not here we can't do this we

1577
01:07:33,289 --> 01:07:31,020
can't reproduce this and this supposedly

1578
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:33,299
is old technology so their new

1579
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:35,280
technology must be a lot scarier more

1580
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:37,440
impressive and to us would just appear

1581
01:07:41,390 --> 01:07:39,599
as magic we would know the difference

1582
01:07:43,309 --> 01:07:41,400
between

1583
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:43,319
you know something that looks mundane

1584
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:45,359
you know

1585
01:07:50,089 --> 01:07:47,520
the little piece I have is Magic it's

1586
01:07:52,910 --> 01:07:50,099
it's it's it it's adherent but there's

1587
01:07:56,210 --> 01:07:52,920
nothing gluing it together right except

1588
01:07:58,250 --> 01:07:56,220
empty space that's Magic

1589
01:07:59,930 --> 01:07:58,260
um because it it's not magic it's

1590
01:08:03,170 --> 01:07:59,940
something somebody understands but not

1591
01:08:06,349 --> 01:08:03,180
us but let's talk a little bit about

1592
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:06,359
okay I never say I'm sure they're aliens

1593
01:08:12,410 --> 01:08:08,880
because I'm not but

1594
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:12,420
let's assume that they are there they're

1595
01:08:17,090 --> 01:08:14,400
as I say visitors and they are someone

1596
01:08:19,130 --> 01:08:17,100
other than us

1597
01:08:21,530 --> 01:08:19,140
and we think to ourselves okay how are

1598
01:08:23,090 --> 01:08:21,540
we going to communicate with them

1599
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:23,100
now

1600
01:08:28,130 --> 01:08:25,679
on this planet

1601
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:28,140
there are no such thing as two species

1602
01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:31,440
that can communicate together

1603
01:08:37,490 --> 01:08:34,880
at on each other's

1604
01:08:40,669 --> 01:08:37,500
wavelengths they have to be like the

1605
01:08:44,590 --> 01:08:40,679
dogs and the cats and us and find a

1606
01:08:48,829 --> 01:08:44,600
common ground of signaling to each other

1607
01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:48,839
or and we we have a more a species with

1608
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:51,719
a much more complex mind the Dolphins

1609
01:08:58,849 --> 01:08:55,920
and we have been we have no idea

1610
01:09:01,849 --> 01:08:58,859
what their language means to them

1611
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:01,859
we can only speculate about it and this

1612
01:09:07,010 --> 01:09:05,040
is because their brains are constructed

1613
01:09:09,229 --> 01:09:07,020
differently from ours and it's true of

1614
01:09:12,890 --> 01:09:09,239
the dogs and cats too and all the other

1615
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:12,900
animals or if you look at a mouse and a

1616
01:09:18,650 --> 01:09:14,880
and an elephant

1617
01:09:20,570 --> 01:09:18,660
the mouse cannot hear the elephant

1618
01:09:23,870 --> 01:09:20,580
because its ears won't pick up a sound

1619
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:23,880
that low the elephant cannot hear the

1620
01:09:29,450 --> 01:09:26,400
mouse because its ears won't pick up a

1621
01:09:31,550 --> 01:09:29,460
sound that high the mouse cannot

1622
01:09:34,370 --> 01:09:31,560
perceive the elephant because it's too

1623
01:09:37,130 --> 01:09:34,380
big the elephant cannot perceive the

1624
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:37,140
mouse because it's too small

1625
01:09:44,329 --> 01:09:40,799
they are can be side by side and not

1626
01:09:45,769 --> 01:09:44,339
even know one another exists

1627
01:09:48,410 --> 01:09:45,779
now

1628
01:09:49,849 --> 01:09:48,420
if you look at the world around us is

1629
01:09:53,209 --> 01:09:49,859
like that

1630
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:53,219
now aliens from another planet who were

1631
01:09:58,250 --> 01:09:55,980
evolved in a different star system

1632
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:58,260
perhaps with different light uh

1633
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:01,920
wavelengths of light a whole different

1634
01:10:07,310 --> 01:10:05,040
ecology everything different from this

1635
01:10:08,990 --> 01:10:07,320
are gonna have radically different

1636
01:10:11,209 --> 01:10:09,000
brains

1637
01:10:12,890 --> 01:10:11,219
they're not going to be even close to

1638
01:10:15,169 --> 01:10:12,900
mammal brains they're going to be brains

1639
01:10:18,110 --> 01:10:15,179
that are very different from ours and

1640
01:10:20,810 --> 01:10:18,120
their whole perceptual process is going

1641
01:10:22,729 --> 01:10:20,820
to be completely different from ours and

1642
01:10:25,550 --> 01:10:22,739
you can see in this in the communion

1643
01:10:28,490 --> 01:10:25,560
letters the efforts they are making to

1644
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:28,500
communicate are when they try this

1645
01:10:31,729 --> 01:10:30,239
they're not all they don't always try

1646
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:31,739
this they don't want to communicate in

1647
01:10:35,930 --> 01:10:33,120
many cases

1648
01:10:37,970 --> 01:10:35,940
but with like this it's very difficult

1649
01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:37,980
and we have to you know when you hear

1650
01:10:42,590 --> 01:10:40,380
all these things that people are mistake

1651
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:42,600
well they told me this they told me that

1652
01:10:47,630 --> 01:10:45,120
come on I mean let's let's be real here

1653
01:10:50,750 --> 01:10:47,640
we may not we may think they told us

1654
01:10:54,169 --> 01:10:50,760
things but we I mean they may not know

1655
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:54,179
how we understood what they communicated

1656
01:10:58,970 --> 01:10:57,600
and we probably will not know what they

1657
01:11:01,910 --> 01:10:58,980
thought they were communicating either

1658
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,920
the Gap is going to be too great

1659
01:11:06,169 --> 01:11:03,840
and that's where we are with this right

1660
01:11:07,970 --> 01:11:06,179
now there's something here something's

1661
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:07,980
going on with the gap between us is so

1662
01:11:12,110 --> 01:11:10,800
great we can't really pin down what the

1663
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:12,120
heck it is

1664
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:14,400
that's really well said that that kind

1665
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:16,080
of strings it all together and fills in

1666
01:11:21,169 --> 01:11:19,199
a lot of gaps even myself otherwise yeah

1667
01:11:22,850 --> 01:11:21,179
and I wanted to ask you about sort of

1668
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:22,860
the same kind of question involving the

1669
01:11:26,750 --> 01:11:25,260
beings but more in terms of craft a lot

1670
01:11:28,490 --> 01:11:26,760
of people have said it's impractical

1671
01:11:30,830 --> 01:11:28,500
even if they are you know on another

1672
01:11:32,689 --> 01:11:30,840
planet they're gonna do what we do and

1673
01:11:35,090 --> 01:11:32,699
again maybe this is just using the human

1674
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:35,100
brain to think like a human but we would

1675
01:11:40,669 --> 01:11:37,679
probably send probes or craft or AI

1676
01:11:42,830 --> 01:11:40,679
rather than creatures in a in a ship

1677
01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:42,840
initially so what are your thoughts on

1678
01:11:50,030 --> 01:11:46,440
the fact that some UAP may just be AI

1679
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:50,040
Bots maybe Grays potentially could be

1680
01:11:55,130 --> 01:11:53,040
some type of AI with a bit of you know

1681
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:55,140
genetics mixed in what are your thoughts

1682
01:12:00,110 --> 01:11:57,840
on the whole AI phenomenon as it

1683
01:12:02,270 --> 01:12:00,120
pertains to UAP

1684
01:12:04,189 --> 01:12:02,280
I don't think there's I don't know of

1685
01:12:07,610 --> 01:12:04,199
any connection I mean AI is a big

1686
01:12:11,209 --> 01:12:07,620
buzzword right now but uh I have no idea

1687
01:12:14,450 --> 01:12:11,219
what that may mean all I can say is that

1688
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:14,460
I once had a very profound physical

1689
01:12:18,189 --> 01:12:16,560
experience with one of them

1690
01:12:20,689 --> 01:12:18,199
who made

1691
01:12:22,490 --> 01:12:20,699
three sounds

1692
01:12:24,410 --> 01:12:22,500
prize

1693
01:12:25,850 --> 01:12:24,420
and they were

1694
01:12:27,950 --> 01:12:25,860
the most

1695
01:12:28,970 --> 01:12:27,960
emotionally Rich sounds I have ever

1696
01:12:31,070 --> 01:12:28,980
heard

1697
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:31,080
they were also the most precisely

1698
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:34,080
delivered sounds I have ever heard the

1699
01:12:40,189 --> 01:12:38,159
Precision was almost Supernatural in its

1700
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:40,199
effect on me and I know that sounds

1701
01:12:45,410 --> 01:12:42,900
weird because but you know we don't have

1702
01:12:46,250 --> 01:12:45,420
Precision like that of any kind in our

1703
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:46,260
world

1704
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:50,000
and it was so profoundly

1705
01:12:56,090 --> 01:12:53,520
moving and so shocking that I love

1706
01:12:58,370 --> 01:12:56,100
classical music and it took me a year to

1707
01:13:00,830 --> 01:12:58,380
be able to listen to a great string

1708
01:13:03,649 --> 01:13:00,840
quartet again because it all sounded

1709
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:03,659
money muddy after the few seconds of

1710
01:13:10,030 --> 01:13:06,719
those three cries it was unbelievable

1711
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:10,040
but you have two things here you have

1712
01:13:15,610 --> 01:13:13,199
enormous emotional resonance

1713
01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:15,620
and you have

1714
01:13:21,709 --> 01:13:19,560
extraordinary machine-like precision

1715
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:21,719
so what was I listening to

1716
01:13:27,530 --> 01:13:25,679
what was there was that essentially a

1717
01:13:30,770 --> 01:13:27,540
perfect machine

1718
01:13:33,410 --> 01:13:30,780
what was it or was it a living creature

1719
01:13:37,729 --> 01:13:33,420
so precisely organized that it was

1720
01:13:40,910 --> 01:13:37,739
something like a a machine on a higher

1721
01:13:44,090 --> 01:13:40,920
level of being because the combination

1722
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:44,100
of super powerful emotional resonance

1723
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:46,800
and absolute perfection

1724
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:51,120
uh makes it sound like a super conscious

1725
01:13:56,030 --> 01:13:53,360
machine

1726
01:13:57,530 --> 01:13:56,040
lately we're gonna let you go here

1727
01:13:59,570 --> 01:13:57,540
shortly we know it's getting late where

1728
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,580
you're at uh right now but uh we have a

1729
01:14:03,530 --> 01:14:01,679
question from Michael Allens which was a

1730
01:14:05,630 --> 01:14:03,540
guest we've had on recently he's an

1731
01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:05,640
experiencer and he's actually where you

1732
01:14:10,729 --> 01:14:07,380
are right now he's in uh he's in England

1733
01:14:13,010 --> 01:14:10,739
that's where he resides and uh he was

1734
01:14:15,530 --> 01:14:13,020
he's asked the question on Instagram he

1735
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,540
says what is Whitley's opinion on how

1736
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:17,520
the visitors telepathic communication

1737
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,080
work is it biological or something else

1738
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:24,719
uh I don't know the answer I I've

1739
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:27,600
experienced it somewhat and uh I will

1740
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,000
say this though there's something more

1741
01:14:34,430 --> 01:14:32,159
than I've experienced telepathic

1742
01:14:35,870 --> 01:14:34,440
communication once that sounded like a

1743
01:14:39,050 --> 01:14:35,880
radio in my head

1744
01:14:40,669 --> 01:14:39,060
and I've speculate in them about how

1745
01:14:43,010 --> 01:14:40,679
that probably works it probably has

1746
01:14:45,709 --> 01:14:43,020
something to do with microwaves and

1747
01:14:48,290 --> 01:14:45,719
because you can induce sounds in a in a

1748
01:14:51,169 --> 01:14:48,300
brain with microwaves fairly easily and

1749
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:51,179
I don't think it's too far from being

1750
01:14:57,470 --> 01:14:53,760
able to do that to being able to uh

1751
01:15:00,169 --> 01:14:57,480
generate words in the brain

1752
01:15:03,470 --> 01:15:00,179
um so but but there's another level of

1753
01:15:05,450 --> 01:15:03,480
it which I think is very very important

1754
01:15:09,050 --> 01:15:05,460
to understand and fairly pernicious

1755
01:15:11,630 --> 01:15:09,060
which is the ability to project thoughts

1756
01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:11,640
into someone's brain that they don't

1757
01:15:17,330 --> 01:15:15,060
know aren't their own and one of the

1758
01:15:18,530 --> 01:15:17,340
things being close to the hybrids excuse

1759
01:15:27,290 --> 01:15:18,540
me

1760
01:15:29,810 --> 01:15:27,300
taste of what it's like to know that

1761
01:15:32,450 --> 01:15:29,820
it's someone else's mind touching your

1762
01:15:34,370 --> 01:15:32,460
mind and I'm really sensitive to that

1763
01:15:35,689 --> 01:15:34,380
now and I have had it happen a few times

1764
01:15:38,810 --> 01:15:35,699
since

1765
01:15:41,209 --> 01:15:38,820
but I think most people would have no

1766
01:15:44,209 --> 01:15:41,219
idea that their mind was being entered

1767
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:44,219
by another mind and I think that mind

1768
01:15:49,250 --> 01:15:47,520
control would be quite easy for them and

1769
01:15:51,290 --> 01:15:49,260
I sometimes wonder if they aren't

1770
01:15:55,550 --> 01:15:51,300
playing a game with us

1771
01:15:57,770 --> 01:15:55,560
and that like all of our politicians

1772
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:57,780
are their control and people keep doing

1773
01:16:03,050 --> 01:16:01,440
crazy things like Hitler or Putin or you

1774
01:16:05,450 --> 01:16:03,060
know the things that just you seem to

1775
01:16:08,410 --> 01:16:05,460
make no sense whatsoever and are

1776
01:16:11,390 --> 01:16:08,420
terribly negative and other people do

1777
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:11,400
extraordinary things and very positive

1778
01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:14,159
things and you have to wonder

1779
01:16:18,770 --> 01:16:16,260
Where We Are

1780
01:16:20,570 --> 01:16:18,780
and we'll close with this in the larger

1781
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:20,580
scheme of things

1782
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:24,960
are we independent entities

1783
01:16:29,390 --> 01:16:27,600
pieces on a chessboard

1784
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:29,400
or something

1785
01:16:33,950 --> 01:16:30,960
else

1786
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:33,960
that we ourselves have not yet fully

1787
01:16:37,850 --> 01:16:36,000
understood

1788
01:16:40,610 --> 01:16:37,860
I think let's leave it there

1789
01:16:42,290 --> 01:16:40,620
is the ultimate question uh your latest

1790
01:16:43,850 --> 01:16:42,300
book is called van Whitley where can

1791
01:16:45,290 --> 01:16:43,860
people find your book and where can they

1792
01:16:46,910 --> 01:16:45,300
learn more about you if they want to

1793
01:16:48,770 --> 01:16:46,920
follow your work

1794
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:48,780
well it's pretty easy they can find my

1795
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:51,600
book on Amazon it's on it's in Kindle in

1796
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:54,480
paperback and hardcover probably find it

1797
01:16:59,390 --> 01:16:56,400
on Barnes and Noble and other sites in

1798
01:17:01,490 --> 01:16:59,400
paperback and hardcover and it is

1799
01:17:05,330 --> 01:17:01,500
available as an audio book from Amazon

1800
01:17:08,270 --> 01:17:05,340
or audible or Apple Books nice Whitley

1801
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:08,280
was there so we can I read it we could

1802
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:10,320
be uh you know talking about this for a

1803
01:17:13,310 --> 01:17:11,520
whole weekend with you and probably

1804
01:17:15,530 --> 01:17:13,320
still haven't scratched the surface of

1805
01:17:17,450 --> 01:17:15,540
this phenomenon but again I want to say

1806
01:17:19,370 --> 01:17:17,460
a huge thank you uh not only from UAP

1807
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:19,380
studies podcast but to all the listeners

1808
01:17:23,570 --> 01:17:21,600
and supporters that you have out there I

1809
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:23,580
know you don't get to meet you yeah you

1810
01:17:27,950 --> 01:17:25,920
don't get to meet everybody but you're a

1811
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:27,960
Pioneer in this field of study along

1812
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:30,719
with a few other Giants and we really do

1813
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:33,840
appreciate your work and thank you very

1814
01:17:37,850 --> 01:17:36,000
much for having me on and yeah you guys

1815
01:17:39,950 --> 01:17:37,860
are a lot younger than I am and thank

1816
01:17:42,530 --> 01:17:39,960
God keep the ball rolling because it's

1817
01:17:43,850 --> 01:17:42,540
going to be in your work very soon we

1818
01:17:45,410 --> 01:17:43,860
appreciate it carry that torch for you

1819
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,420
anytime Whitley we'd love to have you

1820
01:17:48,770 --> 01:17:47,760
back again and uh let's turn it over to

1821
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,780
our viewers what did you think of

1822
01:17:53,390 --> 01:17:50,880
today's episode good bad and different

1823
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:53,400
let us know we love our feedback and

1824
01:17:57,050 --> 01:17:55,199
again big thanks to Mr Whitley strieber

1825
01:17:59,390 --> 01:17:57,060
you're a busy guy you're weathering a

1826
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:59,400
storm literally right now we made this

1827
01:18:03,050 --> 01:18:01,440
happen and uh we really appreciate your

1828
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:03,060
time and love to have you back again in

1829
01:18:10,710 --> 01:18:04,320
the future